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	<title>Doc Searls: patient as platform and &#8220;point of integration&#8221;Comments on: --</title>
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		<title>By: Ellen Hoenig Carlson</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-55614</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen Hoenig Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 00:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Good read! RT @ePatientDave: We&#039;re glad y&#039;all are discovering &quot;patient as platform&quot; - our @JonL hit it 22 months ago :) http://is.gd/bRjHG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Good read! RT @ePatientDave: We&#39;re glad y&#39;all are discovering &quot;patient as platform&quot; &#8211; our @JonL hit it 22 months ago :) <a href="http://is.gd/bRjHG" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/bRjHG</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Dave deBronkart</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-52817</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave deBronkart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 00:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;We&#039;re glad y&#039;all are discovering &quot;patient as platform&quot; - our @JonL hit it 22 months ago :) http://is.gd/bRjHG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">We&#39;re glad y&#39;all are discovering &quot;patient as platform&quot; &#8211; our @JonL hit it 22 months ago :) <a href="http://is.gd/bRjHG" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/bRjHG</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Dave deBronkart</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-52715</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave deBronkart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;So glad @DSearls &quot;Patient as Platform&quot; is finally getting noticed. Don&#039;t miss @JonL excellent post on it http://is.gd/buGb2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">So glad @DSearls &quot;Patient as Platform&quot; is finally getting noticed. Don&#39;t miss @JonL excellent post on it <a href="http://is.gd/buGb2" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/buGb2</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Lebkowsky</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-52659</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Lebkowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @dsearls: @ePatientDave Thx for pointing to an oldie but goodie, http://is.gd/buGb2 with props to @JonL, with whom I got hangtime at #fiberfete, btw.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @dsearls: @ePatientDave Thx for pointing to an oldie but goodie, <a href="http://is.gd/buGb2" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/buGb2</a> with props to @JonL, with whom I got hangtime at #fiberfete, btw.</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Dave deBronkart</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-52653</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave deBronkart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @dsearls: @ePatientDave Thx for pointing to an oldie but goodie, http://is.gd/buGb2 with props to @JonL ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @dsearls: @ePatientDave Thx for pointing to an oldie but goodie, <a href="http://is.gd/buGb2" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/buGb2</a> with props to @JonL &#8230;</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-52654</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 02:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@ePatientDave Thx for pointing to an oldie but goodie, http://is.gd/buGb2 with props to @JonL, with whom I got hangtime at #fiberfete, btw.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@ePatientDave Thx for pointing to an oldie but goodie, <a href="http://is.gd/buGb2" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/buGb2</a> with props to @JonL, with whom I got hangtime at #fiberfete, btw.</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Dave deBronkart</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-52650</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave deBronkart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Thx for interest in &quot;pt as platform&quot;! It&#039;s not my concept, it&#039;s Doc Searls @DSearls. See @JonL post 6/08 http://is.gd/buGb2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Thx for interest in &quot;pt as platform&quot;! It&#39;s not my concept, it&#39;s Doc Searls @DSearls. See @JonL post 6/08 <a href="http://is.gd/buGb2" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/buGb2</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Sam Adams</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-46285</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to see Healthcare\HIT stagnate for another few years to decades, keep throwing ARRA\Stimulus\HealthCare reform money at and around the EMR vendor space.  No other industry is as backwards and behind the times as HIT, from proprietary (and idiotically technically architected) systems to a sales cycle that focuses on locking the customer in, not on sharing of information across the continuum of care.

And please, never believe HIT has a standard - HL7 - it doesn&#039;t. HL7 is a to standards as gerrymandering is to politics.

Technology\standards aside, the other revolution that needs to come is to move away from seeing healthcare as being episodic and to see it as a longer continuum, not a cycle, but a thread that beings at life and ends at death, with an educated patient involved with their own care.

There&#039;s a LOT of smart, willing doctors, nurses and patients, they&#039;ve only got THEMSELVES to blame for not banding against the idiocy of the healthcare marketplace and insisting, demanding on processes and solutions that are patient empowering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to see Healthcare\HIT stagnate for another few years to decades, keep throwing ARRA\Stimulus\HealthCare reform money at and around the EMR vendor space.  No other industry is as backwards and behind the times as HIT, from proprietary (and idiotically technically architected) systems to a sales cycle that focuses on locking the customer in, not on sharing of information across the continuum of care.</p>
<p>And please, never believe HIT has a standard &#8211; HL7 &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t. HL7 is a to standards as gerrymandering is to politics.</p>
<p>Technology\standards aside, the other revolution that needs to come is to move away from seeing healthcare as being episodic and to see it as a longer continuum, not a cycle, but a thread that beings at life and ends at death, with an educated patient involved with their own care.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a LOT of smart, willing doctors, nurses and patients, they&#8217;ve only got THEMSELVES to blame for not banding against the idiocy of the healthcare marketplace and insisting, demanding on processes and solutions that are patient empowering.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Adams</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-55615</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Doc Searls: patient as platform and “point of integration” http://is.gd/1G2UO #healthcare #hcreform&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Doc Searls: patient as platform and “point of integration” <a href="http://is.gd/1G2UO" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/1G2UO</a> #healthcare #hcreform</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: ePatientDave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-50086</link>
		<dc:creator>ePatientDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@SusannahFox @BobCoffield Doc said &quot;best way to fix HC is for pts to be the platform for the care they get” http://is.gd/1sBb1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@SusannahFox @BobCoffield Doc said &#8220;best way to fix HC is for pts to be the platform for the care they get” <a href="http://is.gd/1sBb1" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/1sBb1</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-55616</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @doctorwes: Dr. Wes Goes to Washington http://tinyurl.com/n4p8zj  (You might be interested in reading this: http://bit.ly/WVWoR )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @doctorwes: Dr. Wes Goes to Washington <a href="http://tinyurl.com/n4p8zj" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/n4p8zj</a>  (You might be interested in reading this: <a href="http://bit.ly/WVWoR" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/WVWoR</a> )</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-43458</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, you said, &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;But, we must be mindful that while the technology considerations and solutions will arm patients with the information they need to navigate the system, to effectively engage with their Health Care Providers, and help them achieve the best Patient Experience and treatment possible, with technology we are primarily addressing the Medical Information management issues.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Am I ever lovin&#039; this discussion.  I can invision an app for the iPhone, iTouch, any smartphone, etc., which will allow a patient to view her EMR/EHR/PHR and to which she may respond.

We must get rid of this &quot;us vs. them&quot; attitude on both sides of the fence.  There should be no fence, actually.  When the only empowerment is in bureaucracy and VRM, then we&#039;ve reached the bottom.  I like Dave&#039;s statement:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I want brilliant freakin’ motivated smart doctors empowered to do brilliant freakin’ things for me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Me, too.  I don&#039;t want to disempower anyone (well, &#039;cept maybe some bureaucrats and such...ahem...) who is working toward my health.  I just want to be a part of the team.  

Vendors CAN change any proprietary platform so that it integrates with a common interface.  They are going to be driven to it anyhow as cloud computing becomes more prevalent.  (Microsoft and Google are already there.)  With the increasing use of smartphones (which some vendors actually call a type of &quot;netbook&quot;!), everyone will have the capability of accessing PHR&#039;s.  Ok, some say not &quot;everyone&quot;, but when even the homeless are using cell phones (which will soon all become smartphones or more), I beg to differ.  

Along these same lines, @SusannahFox, @jayparkinson and I (@staticnrg) had a twittersation about rating doctors/medical care. Jay tweeted a link and said: “yep. next minor revision of hh will have this built in: http://bit.ly/R4ZzR their dashboards are awesome.”  I believe that with an easy response/survey system like Jay linked, patients can give valuable feedback instantly which benefits all concerned. It does not have to be a negative system.  Ranking/rating systems that we have now are used mainly by disgruntled patients and aren&#039;t valuable.  I believe they do more if a disservice than a service most of the time.

Most of all, if we don&#039;t consider the role of the physician in all this, we are going to lose valuable, front-line PCP&#039;s, pediatricians, and family doctors.  It is already happening, and we need to keep that in mind as we work towards participatory healthcare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, you said,<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;But, we must be mindful that while the technology considerations and solutions will arm patients with the information they need to navigate the system, to effectively engage with their Health Care Providers, and help them achieve the best Patient Experience and treatment possible, with technology we are primarily addressing the Medical Information management issues.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Am I ever lovin&#8217; this discussion.  I can invision an app for the iPhone, iTouch, any smartphone, etc., which will allow a patient to view her EMR/EHR/PHR and to which she may respond.</p>
<p>We must get rid of this &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; attitude on both sides of the fence.  There should be no fence, actually.  When the only empowerment is in bureaucracy and VRM, then we&#8217;ve reached the bottom.  I like Dave&#8217;s statement:</p>
<blockquote><p>I want brilliant freakin’ motivated smart doctors empowered to do brilliant freakin’ things for me.</p></blockquote>
<p>Me, too.  I don&#8217;t want to disempower anyone (well, &#8216;cept maybe some bureaucrats and such&#8230;ahem&#8230;) who is working toward my health.  I just want to be a part of the team.  </p>
<p>Vendors CAN change any proprietary platform so that it integrates with a common interface.  They are going to be driven to it anyhow as cloud computing becomes more prevalent.  (Microsoft and Google are already there.)  With the increasing use of smartphones (which some vendors actually call a type of &#8220;netbook&#8221;!), everyone will have the capability of accessing PHR&#8217;s.  Ok, some say not &#8220;everyone&#8221;, but when even the homeless are using cell phones (which will soon all become smartphones or more), I beg to differ.  </p>
<p>Along these same lines, @SusannahFox, @jayparkinson and I (@staticnrg) had a twittersation about rating doctors/medical care. Jay tweeted a link and said: “yep. next minor revision of hh will have this built in: <a href="http://bit.ly/R4ZzR" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/R4ZzR</a> their dashboards are awesome.”  I believe that with an easy response/survey system like Jay linked, patients can give valuable feedback instantly which benefits all concerned. It does not have to be a negative system.  Ranking/rating systems that we have now are used mainly by disgruntled patients and aren&#8217;t valuable.  I believe they do more if a disservice than a service most of the time.</p>
<p>Most of all, if we don&#8217;t consider the role of the physician in all this, we are going to lose valuable, front-line PCP&#8217;s, pediatricians, and family doctors.  It is already happening, and we need to keep that in mind as we work towards participatory healthcare.</p>
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		<title>By: ePatientDave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-50087</link>
		<dc:creator>ePatientDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@SusannahFox @BobCoffield See major @DocSearls story &quot;Patient as platform &amp; point of integration&quot; June08 http://is.gd/1sBb1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@SusannahFox @BobCoffield See major @DocSearls story &#8220;Patient as platform &#038; point of integration&#8221; June08 <a href="http://is.gd/1sBb1" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/1sBb1</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: ePatientDave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-50088</link>
		<dc:creator>ePatientDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@jonl @MattKoll and last year I wrote about Doc&#039;s e-patient adventure http://is.gd/tzs3. So, is e-patient #Cluetrain in another shirt?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@jonl @MattKoll and last year I wrote about Doc&#8217;s e-patient adventure <a href="http://is.gd/tzs3" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/tzs3</a>. So, is e-patient #Cluetrain in another shirt?</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Gilles Frydman</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilles Frydman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

as you know I am never talking about confrontation as a means to modify the mindset of clinicians. Instead, I see myself as a constant irritant because someone needs to tell them repeatedly that the system has changed.

It is indeed very sad that the changes have taken place almost entirely without clinicians input, first because they denied the reality of the changes and now because they have to deal with issues of bigger financial/psychological importance to them.

As senior irritant, I would be tempted to say that clinicians, in general, do carry a significant responsibility for their original lack of involvement in the transformation of the medical system, from paternalistic to participatory. But it is never too late to join the movement and be an equal partner in the formulation of the necessary changes.  None of us should ever think that we are advocating any type of &quot;us vs. them&quot; kind of interaction. I can only quote an ACOR user who said a few days ago: &quot;The oncologists and all the oncology nurses and the researchers are the ones battling cancer. I&#039;m just the battlefield.&quot;

Susannah is both polite and effective and will probably formulate  this much better.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>as you know I am never talking about confrontation as a means to modify the mindset of clinicians. Instead, I see myself as a constant irritant because someone needs to tell them repeatedly that the system has changed.</p>
<p>It is indeed very sad that the changes have taken place almost entirely without clinicians input, first because they denied the reality of the changes and now because they have to deal with issues of bigger financial/psychological importance to them.</p>
<p>As senior irritant, I would be tempted to say that clinicians, in general, do carry a significant responsibility for their original lack of involvement in the transformation of the medical system, from paternalistic to participatory. But it is never too late to join the movement and be an equal partner in the formulation of the necessary changes.  None of us should ever think that we are advocating any type of &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; kind of interaction. I can only quote an ACOR user who said a few days ago: &#8220;The oncologists and all the oncology nurses and the researchers are the ones battling cancer. I&#8217;m just the battlefield.&#8221;</p>
<p>Susannah is both polite and effective and will probably formulate  this much better.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Hoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can’t believe I am being forced to take on the mantel of clinician defender and apologist!. Me, a major rabble rouser among my colleagues! Nevertheless, the opportunity to disagree with Gilles is too attractive (and in the process agreeing with Dave? Yikes).

Gilles says:&lt;blockquote&gt;“I understand that doctors are not happy with their work environment but this is NOT something we can have a real impact on. OTOH we can definitely have an impact on how doctors are going to interact with patients and view them as equals in the patient-doctor relationship.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The unhappiness and lack of control that clinicians of all stripes feel in the present workspace is not something we can ignore. If we do, we simply add another way they lose control and yet are still held accountable, further deepening the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; “learned helplessness” &lt;/a&gt; already part of our problem.  While you may think you know all about the state of learned helplessness, refresh your memory. A key point is that not all people respond to the same situation with depression and feelings of futility. We can engage those who still feel good about clinical practice, and partner with them to show it’s actually more fun to work together. But a consistently confrontational approach (OK, I’m one of the worst offenders, I confess) will not move participatory medicine forward.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t believe I am being forced to take on the mantel of clinician defender and apologist!. Me, a major rabble rouser among my colleagues! Nevertheless, the opportunity to disagree with Gilles is too attractive (and in the process agreeing with Dave? Yikes).</p>
<p>Gilles says:<br />
<blockquote>“I understand that doctors are not happy with their work environment but this is NOT something we can have a real impact on. OTOH we can definitely have an impact on how doctors are going to interact with patients and view them as equals in the patient-doctor relationship.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The unhappiness and lack of control that clinicians of all stripes feel in the present workspace is not something we can ignore. If we do, we simply add another way they lose control and yet are still held accountable, further deepening the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness" rel="nofollow"> “learned helplessness” </a> already part of our problem.  While you may think you know all about the state of learned helplessness, refresh your memory. A key point is that not all people respond to the same situation with depression and feelings of futility. We can engage those who still feel good about clinical practice, and partner with them to show it’s actually more fun to work together. But a consistently confrontational approach (OK, I’m one of the worst offenders, I confess) will not move participatory medicine forward.</p>
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		<title>By: e-Patient Dave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/06/doc-searls-patient-as-platform-and-point-of-integration.html/comment-page-1#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>e-Patient Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gilles, with ALL respect, I do think we (the patients and this blog) can have an impact on the role doctors play.  If my instincts are correct, the root cause of today&#039;s situation is that the real go/no-go power is in the hands of some odd player, and it never would have been designed that way.

For years I&#039;ve heard doctors talk about having their recommended treatments rejected by insurance office staff who have no medical training at all and aren&#039;t even able to discuss the indications for this case being outside the norm.  That&#039;s powerlessness.

I don&#039;t know - this wouldn&#039;t be the first time your experience and instincts have out&quot;smart&quot;ed mine.  I do know, though, that if I&#039;m going to be in charge of my care, I want my chosen doctors to be authorized to do their job - to exercise their best judgment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gilles, with ALL respect, I do think we (the patients and this blog) can have an impact on the role doctors play.  If my instincts are correct, the root cause of today&#8217;s situation is that the real go/no-go power is in the hands of some odd player, and it never would have been designed that way.</p>
<p>For years I&#8217;ve heard doctors talk about having their recommended treatments rejected by insurance office staff who have no medical training at all and aren&#8217;t even able to discuss the indications for this case being outside the norm.  That&#8217;s powerlessness.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know &#8211; this wouldn&#8217;t be the first time your experience and instincts have out&#8221;smart&#8221;ed mine.  I do know, though, that if I&#8217;m going to be in charge of my care, I want my chosen doctors to be authorized to do their job &#8211; to exercise their best judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilles Frydman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilles Frydman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think we should lose track of what our main goal is. We are not here to reform and fix every problem of the healthcare system.

I understand that doctors are not happy with their work environment but this is NOT something we can have a real impact on. OTOH we can definitely have an impact on how doctors are going to interact with patients and view them as equals in the patient-doctor relationship. That is already a lofty goal and as Susannah &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.e-patients.net/archives/2008/05/the_plausible_p.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote earlier&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I think participatory medicine is what Eric Raymond calls a “plausible promise”: something big enough to inspire interest yet achievable enough to inspire confidence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reforming health care is too big for most people to grasp; creating spaces for participatory medicine is not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think we should lose track of what our main goal is. We are not here to reform and fix every problem of the healthcare system.</p>
<p>I understand that doctors are not happy with their work environment but this is NOT something we can have a real impact on. OTOH we can definitely have an impact on how doctors are going to interact with patients and view them as equals in the patient-doctor relationship. That is already a lofty goal and as Susannah <a href="http://www.e-patients.net/archives/2008/05/the_plausible_p.html" rel="nofollow">wrote earlier</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think participatory medicine is what Eric Raymond calls a “plausible promise”: something big enough to inspire interest yet achievable enough to inspire confidence.</p>
<p>Reforming health care is too big for most people to grasp; creating spaces for participatory medicine is not.
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		<title>By: Jon Lebkowsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Lebkowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gopal&#039;s statement gets to the biggest surprise for me as I&#039;ve spent more time talking to physicians - the extent to which they&#039;re not in control, but answerable to hospital and clinic administrators, insurance companies, regulators, etc. Not hard to lose the &#039;human&#039; in a heavily bureaucratized environment. And given the complexity of regs and economic considerations, I&#039;m not sure where we should start.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gopal&#8217;s statement gets to the biggest surprise for me as I&#8217;ve spent more time talking to physicians &#8211; the extent to which they&#8217;re not in control, but answerable to hospital and clinic administrators, insurance companies, regulators, etc. Not hard to lose the &#8216;human&#8217; in a heavily bureaucratized environment. And given the complexity of regs and economic considerations, I&#8217;m not sure where we should start.</p>
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		<title>By: e-Patient Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>e-Patient Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, so good to see you here. (Susan and I have known each other for years, on and off.)

Dan,

&gt; We&#039;ve spent a lot of time in this blog
&gt; talking about the patients, and not enough
&gt; about the new roles of nurses, doctors
&gt; and other clinicians.

Well, dude, let&#039;s get on with it!

On Ted Eytan&#039;s blog, as he was working on a definition of Health 2.0, &lt;a href=&quot;http://consumerfocusedcare.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Consumer-Focused Healthcare&lt;/a&gt; blogger Vijay Gopal MD said&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m curious as to why when everyone talks about participatory health care, the physicians and other care providers aren’t seen as empowered participants.&lt;/blockquote&gt;You know what I want? I want brilliant freakin&#039; motivated smart doctors empowered to do brilliant freakin&#039; things for me.

Patients may be at the center (hey, as a firstborn I&#039;ve been that way all my life) but I want every single doctor, nurse and floorscrubber (and administrator) I encounter to go home that night correctly feeling that they just did something amazing that day.

So let&#039;s get to work on that too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, so good to see you here. (Susan and I have known each other for years, on and off.)</p>
<p>Dan,</p>
<p>> We&#8217;ve spent a lot of time in this blog<br />
> talking about the patients, and not enough<br />
> about the new roles of nurses, doctors<br />
> and other clinicians.</p>
<p>Well, dude, let&#8217;s get on with it!</p>
<p>On Ted Eytan&#8217;s blog, as he was working on a definition of Health 2.0, <a href="http://consumerfocusedcare.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Consumer-Focused Healthcare</a> blogger Vijay Gopal MD said<br />
<blockquote>I’m curious as to why when everyone talks about participatory health care, the physicians and other care providers aren’t seen as empowered participants.</p></blockquote>
<p>You know what I want? I want brilliant freakin&#8217; motivated smart doctors empowered to do brilliant freakin&#8217; things for me.</p>
<p>Patients may be at the center (hey, as a firstborn I&#8217;ve been that way all my life) but I want every single doctor, nurse and floorscrubber (and administrator) I encounter to go home that night correctly feeling that they just did something amazing that day.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s get to work on that too.</p>
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