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		<title>By: Health Reform by Consumer Education - American Community Health</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-71972</link>
		<dc:creator>Health Reform by Consumer Education - American Community Health</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what they mean. That would explain why Gigerenzer et al found that most doctors got it wrong (we reported on their great 2008 paper). Turns out the same is often true for journal editors and peer [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tips for understanding studies (Health News Review) &#124; e-Patients.net</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-71342</link>
		<dc:creator>Tips for understanding studies (Health News Review) &#124; e-Patients.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what they mean. That would explain why Gigerenzer et al found that most doctors got it wrong (we reported on their great 2008 paper). Turns out the same is often true for journal editors and peer [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Salzburg Global Seminar, December 2010: Informing and Involving Patients in Medical Decision Making &#124; e-Patients.net</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-67197</link>
		<dc:creator>Salzburg Global Seminar, December 2010: Informing and Involving Patients in Medical Decision Making &#124; e-Patients.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lead author of a terrific e-patient training article on making sense of health statistics. Here’s our post about it from two years [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave deBronkart</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-54361</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave deBronkart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@MatthewBrowning @nickdawson Yes; in ICSI keynote I emphasized Nov08 &quot;Making Sense of Stats&quot; post http://bit.ly/bojSfH&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@MatthewBrowning @nickdawson Yes; in ICSI keynote I emphasized Nov08 &quot;Making Sense of Stats&quot; post <a href="http://bit.ly/bojSfH" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bojSfH</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: ehealthgr</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-55885</link>
		<dc:creator>ehealthgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 23:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @garyschwitzer: RT @ePatientDave: &quot;Making sense of statistics&quot; post &amp; article http://is.gd/bVDx2 #ICSIMN10 - Gerd Gigerenzer (mentioned in my talk) wrote it&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @garyschwitzer: RT @ePatientDave: &quot;Making sense of statistics&quot; post &amp; article <a href="http://is.gd/bVDx2" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/bVDx2</a> #ICSIMN10 &#8211; Gerd Gigerenzer (mentioned in my talk) wrote it</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Gary Schwitzer</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-52884</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Schwitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 23:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @ePatientDave: &quot;Making sense of statistics&quot; post &amp; article http://is.gd/bVDx2 #ICSIMN10 - Gerd Gigerenzer (mentioned in my talk) wrote it&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @ePatientDave: &quot;Making sense of statistics&quot; post &amp; article <a href="http://is.gd/bVDx2" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/bVDx2</a> #ICSIMN10 &#8211; Gerd Gigerenzer (mentioned in my talk) wrote it</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Dave deBronkart</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-52872</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave deBronkart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 23:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@shellsuga @jensmccabe &quot;Making sense of statistics&quot; post &amp; article http://is.gd/bVDx2 #ICSIMN10&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@shellsuga @jensmccabe &quot;Making sense of statistics&quot; post &amp; article <a href="http://is.gd/bVDx2" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/bVDx2</a> #ICSIMN10</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Terrorized By The &#8216;War On Cancer&#8217; &#124; e-Patients.net</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-48809</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrorized By The &#8216;War On Cancer&#8217; &#124; e-Patients.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of course the general lack of statistical literacy, as we wrote in the e-patients blog here and there. As a report said &#8220;Statistical literacy is a necessary precondition for an educated [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ePatientDave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-50276</link>
		<dc:creator>ePatientDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Classic e-patients.net post on understanding stats, incl relative risk: http://is.gd/4Eo33 #epatcon.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Classic e-patients.net post on understanding stats, incl relative risk: <a href="http://is.gd/4Eo33" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/4Eo33</a> #epatcon.</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: e-Patient training topic: a national article reports relative risk, not raw data. &#124; e-Patients.net</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-47627</link>
		<dc:creator>e-Patient training topic: a national article reports relative risk, not raw data. &#124; e-Patients.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] problem is relative risk reduction. As we discussed last November in Making sense of health statistics, relative risk is an unsound basis for policy decisions, because you can’t tell the actual size [...]</description>
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		<title>By: I&#8217;m sick of hearing Washington talk about savings &#8220;over ten years&#8221; &#124; e-Patients.net</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-43734</link>
		<dc:creator>I&#8217;m sick of hearing Washington talk about savings &#8220;over ten years&#8221; &#124; e-Patients.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] great training on that, with examples, is presented in the informative article discussed in our Making Sense of Health Statistics. It has great anecdotes about how policy people, journalists and even doctors very often [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Holtz</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-50277</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Holtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@ePatientDave Thanks for the reference. Always good to see commonplace misunderstandings examined. http://is.gd/1sODT&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@ePatientDave Thanks for the reference. Always good to see commonplace misunderstandings examined. <a href="http://is.gd/1sODT" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/1sODT</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: ePatientDave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-50278</link>
		<dc:creator>ePatientDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@HoltzReport Yeah, unneeded treatment is one risk discussed in great stats paper ep.net mulled last Nov http://is.gd/1sODT&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@HoltzReport Yeah, unneeded treatment is one risk discussed in great stats paper ep.net mulled last Nov <a href="http://is.gd/1sODT" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/1sODT</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: ePatientDave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-50279</link>
		<dc:creator>ePatientDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@amcunningham Re prostate screening: that&#039;s a specimen in superb paper on statistical illiteracy (Nov08)  http://ow.ly/1680&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@amcunningham Re prostate screening: that&#8217;s a specimen in superb paper on statistical illiteracy (Nov08)  <a href="http://ow.ly/1680" rel="nofollow">http://ow.ly/1680</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: ePatientDave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-50280</link>
		<dc:creator>ePatientDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@staticnrg Also related to &quot;collective statistical illiteracy&quot; that affects medical policies &amp; reporting http://ow.ly/FMg&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@staticnrg Also related to &#8220;collective statistical illiteracy&#8221; that affects medical policies &#038; reporting <a href="http://ow.ly/FMg" rel="nofollow">http://ow.ly/FMg</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: ePatientDave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-50281</link>
		<dc:creator>ePatientDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@TrishaTorrey Re informed consent: vitally important paper Making Sense of HC Statistics http://is.gd/hafw&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@TrishaTorrey Re informed consent: vitally important paper Making Sense of HC Statistics <a href="http://is.gd/hafw" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/hafw</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Lies, Damn Lies And Statistics: Collective Statistical Illiteracy &#124; e-Patients.net</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-1522</link>
		<dc:creator>Lies, Damn Lies And Statistics: Collective Statistical Illiteracy &#124; e-Patients.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] e-Patient Dave wrote yesterday the report is directly relevant to e-patients and shows how statistical illiteracy of the public [...]</description>
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		<title>By: e-Patient Dave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-1501</link>
		<dc:creator>e-Patient Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted, I&#039;m delinquent in responding, but WOW, HealthNewsReview is a great resource! Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, I&#8217;m delinquent in responding, but WOW, HealthNewsReview is a great resource! Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Eytan</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-1337</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Eytan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John/Dave, your comments reminded me of this site, which reviews the quality of reports on studies:

http://www.healthnewsreview.org/review/review.php?rid=1631

Best,

Ted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John/Dave, your comments reminded me of this site, which reviews the quality of reports on studies:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.healthnewsreview.org/review/review.php?rid=1631" rel="nofollow">http://www.healthnewsreview.org/review/review.php?rid=1631</a></p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Ted</p>
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		<title>By: John Grohol</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2008/11/making-sense-of-health-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-1336</link>
		<dc:creator>John Grohol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave hit the nail on the head at the end there -- the mainstream media isn&#039;t reporting the real data -- the raw numbers. Instead, they report what the press release reports, or what the study&#039;s authors report in summary. 

I can&#039;t emphasize enough how many decisions are made upon incomplete and inaccurate statistical information. Most docs would say, &quot;Well, this medication will reduce your risk by 50%.&quot; But the truth is far less compelling. It reduces a population&#039;s overall risk by that number, but your own personal risk is likely changed in only a minuscule manner.

Until more physicians, policy makers, and reporters really start to understand the power (and misuse) of statistics, they will continue to make poor decisions, report on the &quot;non findings&quot; of much research, and make bad policy guidelines based upon faulty information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave hit the nail on the head at the end there &#8212; the mainstream media isn&#8217;t reporting the real data &#8212; the raw numbers. Instead, they report what the press release reports, or what the study&#8217;s authors report in summary. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t emphasize enough how many decisions are made upon incomplete and inaccurate statistical information. Most docs would say, &#8220;Well, this medication will reduce your risk by 50%.&#8221; But the truth is far less compelling. It reduces a population&#8217;s overall risk by that number, but your own personal risk is likely changed in only a minuscule manner.</p>
<p>Until more physicians, policy makers, and reporters really start to understand the power (and misuse) of statistics, they will continue to make poor decisions, report on the &#8220;non findings&#8221; of much research, and make bad policy guidelines based upon faulty information.</p>
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