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		<title>By: amobedragmela</title>
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		<dc:creator>amobedragmela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Теперь я скажу несколько слов о подводке к дичи молодой собаки и о ее стойке.(В работе собаки по дичи следует различать 4 момента (подразделения) ее работы:

1 — поиск, длящийся до того момента, как собака начнет причуивать признаки присутствия дичи в доступном для ее чутья расстоянии;

2 — потяжку — работа собаки, разбирающейся в донесшемся до нее запахе до момента окончательного определения ею наличия дичи; эта работа заканчивается</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Теперь я скажу несколько слов о подводке к дичи молодой собаки и о ее стойке.(В работе собаки по дичи следует различать 4 момента (подразделения) ее работы:</p>
<p>1 — поиск, длящийся до того момента, как собака начнет причуивать признаки присутствия дичи в доступном для ее чутья расстоянии;</p>
<p>2 — потяжку — работа собаки, разбирающейся в донесшемся до нее запахе до момента окончательного определения ею наличия дичи; эта работа заканчивается</p>
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		<title>By: Baby</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/01/an-e-patient-call-to-arms.html/comment-page-1#comment-6643</link>
		<dc:creator>Baby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is so new for us! Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is so new for us! Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: e-Patient Dave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/01/an-e-patient-call-to-arms.html/comment-page-1#comment-5095</link>
		<dc:creator>e-Patient Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see you here, Paul. 

If that&#039;s so, then what&#039;s the key? 

From my (humble, limited) reading of books and blogs, I have the impression that a lot of organizational behaviors could be explained by asserting that organizations try to postpone costs, pushing them downstream to whoever&#039;s carrying the ball a few years later when a crisis arises.

That&#039;s not directly what Gilles was talking about but let&#039;s explore, if we could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see you here, Paul. </p>
<p>If that&#8217;s so, then what&#8217;s the key? </p>
<p>From my (humble, limited) reading of books and blogs, I have the impression that a lot of organizational behaviors could be explained by asserting that organizations try to postpone costs, pushing them downstream to whoever&#8217;s carrying the ball a few years later when a crisis arises.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not directly what Gilles was talking about but let&#8217;s explore, if we could.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no indication that hospitals in a single payer environment do a better job with regard to avoiding harm to patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no indication that hospitals in a single payer environment do a better job with regard to avoiding harm to patients.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilles Frydman</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/01/an-e-patient-call-to-arms.html/comment-page-1#comment-5070</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilles Frydman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do I hear single-payer, universal healthcare system?
This kind of story just wouldn&#039;t exist, in that form, in France,  where the hospital budgets are payed by taxes and where plans are made 5 years in advance, because that is what is required to make real changes in the healthcare system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I hear single-payer, universal healthcare system?<br />
This kind of story just wouldn&#8217;t exist, in that form, in France,  where the hospital budgets are payed by taxes and where plans are made 5 years in advance, because that is what is required to make real changes in the healthcare system.</p>
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		<title>By: e-Patient Dave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/01/an-e-patient-call-to-arms.html/comment-page-1#comment-5040</link>
		<dc:creator>e-Patient Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, btw, I think it&#039;s a little bit pathetic that he got &lt;i&gt;not a single word of response&lt;/i&gt;, not even from a single hospital.

Who&#039;ll be the bold one? Who&#039;ll be first to say &quot;That&#039;s a fine idea but it can&#039;t work unless x,y,z.&quot;

And in light of the above, I guess I&#039;m not talking to the hospital staff - I guess I&#039;m talking to the boards. Board members, what do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, btw, I think it&#8217;s a little bit pathetic that he got <i>not a single word of response</i>, not even from a single hospital.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;ll be the bold one? Who&#8217;ll be first to say &#8220;That&#8217;s a fine idea but it can&#8217;t work unless x,y,z.&#8221;</p>
<p>And in light of the above, I guess I&#8217;m not talking to the hospital staff &#8211; I guess I&#8217;m talking to the boards. Board members, what do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: e-Patient Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>e-Patient Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; hospital CEOs — who answer to their 
&gt; board of directors and shareholders first, patients second

Yeah John, exactly. And I don&#039;t want to seem intolerant, so I&#039;ll ask as gently as I can: if those directors don&#039;t have patients as their priority, what &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; their priority?

Beth Israel Deaconess is far from perfect. I&#039;ve spoken openly about mistakes that were made in my care there (although the oncology team and my surgeon were brilliant). But I also know that Levy frequently says on his blog that change like this &lt;i&gt;requires&lt;/i&gt; complete support by the board.

Here&#039;s an informative post from nine weeks ago: &lt;a href=&quot;http://runningahospital.blogspot.com/2008/11/no-retreat-by-boards.html&quot; target=&quot;epd&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;No retreat by the Board&lt;/a&gt;, citing a board retreat that ended with &quot;a four-year commitment to eliminate preventable harm and to dramatically improve patient satisfaction.&quot;

Grand idea. I&#039;d welcome ideas on what we could do to change the priorities of other hospitals&#039; boards, to align with that, so (just as you suggest) the actions of their CEOs align with that goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> hospital CEOs — who answer to their<br />
> board of directors and shareholders first, patients second</p>
<p>Yeah John, exactly. And I don&#8217;t want to seem intolerant, so I&#8217;ll ask as gently as I can: if those directors don&#8217;t have patients as their priority, what <i>is</i> their priority?</p>
<p>Beth Israel Deaconess is far from perfect. I&#8217;ve spoken openly about mistakes that were made in my care there (although the oncology team and my surgeon were brilliant). But I also know that Levy frequently says on his blog that change like this <i>requires</i> complete support by the board.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an informative post from nine weeks ago: <a href="http://runningahospital.blogspot.com/2008/11/no-retreat-by-boards.html" target="epd" rel="nofollow">No retreat by the Board</a>, citing a board retreat that ended with &#8220;a four-year commitment to eliminate preventable harm and to dramatically improve patient satisfaction.&#8221;</p>
<p>Grand idea. I&#8217;d welcome ideas on what we could do to change the priorities of other hospitals&#8217; boards, to align with that, so (just as you suggest) the actions of their CEOs align with that goal.</p>
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		<title>By: John Grohol</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Grohol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Paul Levy is being a little naive if he thinks suddenly hospital CEOs -- who answer to their board of directors and shareholders first, patients second -- are going to set aside decades worth of competition because another CEO asked them to on a blog. 

We&#039;ve come a long way, but not so far as to change the fundamental rules of business and competition. While I&#039;m surprised top-level hospital CEOs don&#039;t already meet on a semi-regular basis to discuss general &quot;running a hospital&quot; issues, a *blog* invitation generally isn&#039;t the way to go about setting up such a conversation or discussion (keeping in mind that many (most?) hospital CEOs don&#039;t read blogs to begin with).

If you want a real discussion and conversation about these issues, put a phone call into each CEO&#039;s offices, and setup a meeting. This is still how business is done and Paul Levy knows that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Paul Levy is being a little naive if he thinks suddenly hospital CEOs &#8212; who answer to their board of directors and shareholders first, patients second &#8212; are going to set aside decades worth of competition because another CEO asked them to on a blog. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve come a long way, but not so far as to change the fundamental rules of business and competition. While I&#8217;m surprised top-level hospital CEOs don&#8217;t already meet on a semi-regular basis to discuss general &#8220;running a hospital&#8221; issues, a *blog* invitation generally isn&#8217;t the way to go about setting up such a conversation or discussion (keeping in mind that many (most?) hospital CEOs don&#8217;t read blogs to begin with).</p>
<p>If you want a real discussion and conversation about these issues, put a phone call into each CEO&#8217;s offices, and setup a meeting. This is still how business is done and Paul Levy knows that.</p>
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