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		<title>By: e-Patient Dave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-72418</link>
		<dc:creator>e-Patient Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

When I was employed in a day job I tried getting into a PHR (my famous &quot;data transfer gone wrong&quot; adventure) as part of my healthcare hobby. What happened threw me for such a loop that I haven&#039;t touched a PHR since: I&#039;d imagined that the data was of COURSE in some well managed neatly organized repository, where great brains (like the best of NASA) could be running analytics, automatically routing information where it needed to be, etc. 

Ha! :&#8211;) The reality was so different that I stopped dead in my tracks through 2009.  My September keynote at Medicine 2.0, &quot;Gimme My Damn Data,&quot; was originally subtitled &quot;...because you can&#039;t be trusted with it.&quot; But I removed that before publication. :&#8211;)

In 2010 during my business startup, I put zero priority  on having a PHR - I needed to scramble intensely, no time to survey the landscape. I&#039;d decided to advocate for patient engagement, and needed to find how to make a living, while finding people who are in a position to help change the world - meanwhile trying to get myself more firmly attached to reality. (That&#039;s why I like talking to clinicians &amp; street-level HIT geeks at conferences.)

The &quot;data transfer gone wrong&quot; episode led to thinking about a slew of issues, including (as you know) that all that data at my hospital &amp; doctor&#039;s office is unstructured, so what am I gonna do with it once it&#039;s in a system? Certainly not what I&#039;d imagined. 

Lately I&#039;ve been thinking it might be time to explore PHRs again. One thing&#039;s certain: I&#039;m only interested in systems and providers that let me manage the data, including taking it elsewhere. I want to be able to show it to any provider in any state or country anytime, and I don&#039;t want to work with any provider who wants to block that.

It&#039;s super-juicy ironic that during the meaningful use talks so many providers wanted to block patient access because &quot;patients can&#039;t handle it&quot; when there&#039;s abundant evidence that much of the data is either mismanaged (as in the *providers* really can&#039;t handle it responsibly) or is not heeded as we&#039;d expect - the many many cases of medication errors, missed allergies, orders that are never fulfilled, and so much more. And that&#039;s a workflow and business process issue.

It became obvious that a lot more needs transforming than just access to our data. BUT, having said that, access can be a huge first step, because while clinicians have hundreds of pressures and priorities every day, patients &amp; families are pretty well focused on the output of all that - what happens at the point of care, dribbling out the end of the process pipeline. Whether the data is in error or the care processes, the patient stands to suffer, and informed engaged patients &amp; families are literally in a position to catch errors.

It&#039;s hard to believe we&#039;re commenting on a post that&#039;s 20 months old. I love a post that has staying power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>When I was employed in a day job I tried getting into a PHR (my famous &#8220;data transfer gone wrong&#8221; adventure) as part of my healthcare hobby. What happened threw me for such a loop that I haven&#8217;t touched a PHR since: I&#8217;d imagined that the data was of COURSE in some well managed neatly organized repository, where great brains (like the best of NASA) could be running analytics, automatically routing information where it needed to be, etc. </p>
<p>Ha! :&ndash;) The reality was so different that I stopped dead in my tracks through 2009.  My September keynote at Medicine 2.0, &#8220;Gimme My Damn Data,&#8221; was originally subtitled &#8220;&#8230;because you can&#8217;t be trusted with it.&#8221; But I removed that before publication. :&ndash;)</p>
<p>In 2010 during my business startup, I put zero priority  on having a PHR &#8211; I needed to scramble intensely, no time to survey the landscape. I&#8217;d decided to advocate for patient engagement, and needed to find how to make a living, while finding people who are in a position to help change the world &#8211; meanwhile trying to get myself more firmly attached to reality. (That&#8217;s why I like talking to clinicians &#038; street-level HIT geeks at conferences.)</p>
<p>The &#8220;data transfer gone wrong&#8221; episode led to thinking about a slew of issues, including (as you know) that all that data at my hospital &#038; doctor&#8217;s office is unstructured, so what am I gonna do with it once it&#8217;s in a system? Certainly not what I&#8217;d imagined. </p>
<p>Lately I&#8217;ve been thinking it might be time to explore PHRs again. One thing&#8217;s certain: I&#8217;m only interested in systems and providers that let me manage the data, including taking it elsewhere. I want to be able to show it to any provider in any state or country anytime, and I don&#8217;t want to work with any provider who wants to block that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s super-juicy ironic that during the meaningful use talks so many providers wanted to block patient access because &#8220;patients can&#8217;t handle it&#8221; when there&#8217;s abundant evidence that much of the data is either mismanaged (as in the *providers* really can&#8217;t handle it responsibly) or is not heeded as we&#8217;d expect &#8211; the many many cases of medication errors, missed allergies, orders that are never fulfilled, and so much more. And that&#8217;s a workflow and business process issue.</p>
<p>It became obvious that a lot more needs transforming than just access to our data. BUT, having said that, access can be a huge first step, because while clinicians have hundreds of pressures and priorities every day, patients &#038; families are pretty well focused on the output of all that &#8211; what happens at the point of care, dribbling out the end of the process pipeline. Whether the data is in error or the care processes, the patient stands to suffer, and informed engaged patients &#038; families are literally in a position to catch errors.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to believe we&#8217;re commenting on a post that&#8217;s 20 months old. I love a post that has staying power.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bickford</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-72410</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bickford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>e-Patient Dave,

Before ARRA things at CCHIT had been moving along
and the ccr vs cda debate was resolving to a CCD
version of ccr that was cda compliant(all exotic
xml stuff).  Now that Mark is retired, Drummond is an alternative to CCHIT for certifying and
Meaningful use is only partially based on Cert.
The other part requires the eval of ONCHIT and 
nist deciding whether the individual hospital 
or eligible professional is doing the necessary
15 to 20 items to qualify.
But neither David Kibbe or Steve Waldren or
Mark Leavitt or Carolyn Clancy are making any
daily remarks about how things are going. 
The Hospital systems get more confusing the 
interfaces needed for any kind of system seems 
to go up by the day and John Halamka&#039;s blog seems
to be one of the only ongoing updates on the 
relative state of the chaos. 

I thought that Epic users were at least getting 
a little interconnected, at least at Kaiser, but
they are not even connected for N and S California.

How are things from the patient perspective?&gt;
are you with MS healthvault or Google Healht 
or some other?

Chris Bickford MD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>e-Patient Dave,</p>
<p>Before ARRA things at CCHIT had been moving along<br />
and the ccr vs cda debate was resolving to a CCD<br />
version of ccr that was cda compliant(all exotic<br />
xml stuff).  Now that Mark is retired, Drummond is an alternative to CCHIT for certifying and<br />
Meaningful use is only partially based on Cert.<br />
The other part requires the eval of ONCHIT and<br />
nist deciding whether the individual hospital<br />
or eligible professional is doing the necessary<br />
15 to 20 items to qualify.<br />
But neither David Kibbe or Steve Waldren or<br />
Mark Leavitt or Carolyn Clancy are making any<br />
daily remarks about how things are going.<br />
The Hospital systems get more confusing the<br />
interfaces needed for any kind of system seems<br />
to go up by the day and John Halamka&#8217;s blog seems<br />
to be one of the only ongoing updates on the<br />
relative state of the chaos. </p>
<p>I thought that Epic users were at least getting<br />
a little interconnected, at least at Kaiser, but<br />
they are not even connected for N and S California.</p>
<p>How are things from the patient perspective?&gt;<br />
are you with MS healthvault or Google Healht<br />
or some other?</p>
<p>Chris Bickford MD</p>
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		<title>By: e-Patient Dave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-72372</link>
		<dc:creator>e-Patient Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Chris - sorry, I&#039;m lost - what on earth are you talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Chris &#8211; sorry, I&#8217;m lost &#8211; what on earth are you talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-72346</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new NIST Standards org is calling all the shots and 
The whole health IT standards mission has now been 
Grossly distorted and only John Halamka to keep us all up to date.

Chris Bickford MD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new NIST Standards org is calling all the shots and<br />
The whole health IT standards mission has now been<br />
Grossly distorted and only John Halamka to keep us all up to date.</p>
<p>Chris Bickford MD</p>
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		<title>By: CCHIT finally gets foot in ONCHIT certification door &#124; ZDNet</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-57904</link>
		<dc:creator>CCHIT finally gets foot in ONCHIT certification door &#124; ZDNet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has been a long, strange trip for CCHIT, with harsh words exchanged. But the destination has at last been [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CCHIT going on almost as if nothing happened &#124; ZDNet Healthcare &#124; ZDNet.com</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-48589</link>
		<dc:creator>CCHIT going on almost as if nothing happened &#124; ZDNet Healthcare &#124; ZDNet.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] their approach right, or was it too rigid? Was it really helping buyers, or just pointing them toward expensive solutions from members of the HIMSS industry [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] their approach right, or was it too rigid? Was it really helping buyers, or just pointing them toward expensive solutions from members of the HIMSS industry [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Rounds Vol. 5, No. 37: The June Is Bustin&#8217; Out All Over Edition&#160;&#124;&#160;HIPAA Compliance News</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-47795</link>
		<dc:creator>Grand Rounds Vol. 5, No. 37: The June Is Bustin&#8217; Out All Over Edition&#160;&#124;&#160;HIPAA Compliance News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [almost met IRL at the Health 2.0 conference in Boston a month or so ago] framing of the debate at e-patients.net and John Moore&#8217;s [IRL] take at Chilmark [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [almost met IRL at the Health 2.0 conference in Boston a month or so ago] framing of the debate at e-patients.net and John Moore&#8217;s [IRL] take at Chilmark [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reform on the line in meaningful use debate - SmartPlanet</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-37029</link>
		<dc:creator>Reform on the line in meaningful use debate - SmartPlanet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There is some evidence the industry is feeling some heat. CCHIT chair Mark Leavitt (above) took out after reformer David Kibbe by name last month, on a blog Kibbe contributes to, claiming he demeaned the integrity of &#8220;everyone who has contributed&#8221; to CCHIT&#8217;s work. Other bloggers got out the popcorn. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There is some evidence the industry is feeling some heat. CCHIT chair Mark Leavitt (above) took out after reformer David Kibbe by name last month, on a blog Kibbe contributes to, claiming he demeaned the integrity of &#8220;everyone who has contributed&#8221; to CCHIT&#8217;s work. Other bloggers got out the popcorn. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ZDNet Healthcare mobile edition</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-36474</link>
		<dc:creator>ZDNet Healthcare mobile edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://e-patients.net/?p=2541#comment-36474</guid>
		<description>[...] to the Healthcare Blog.  The feud broke out while I was in China. The folks at e-Patients Net have a good rundown of the feud, and the issues involved. posted by Dana Blankenhorn June 18, 2009 @ 8:14 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to the Healthcare Blog.  The feud broke out while I was in China. The folks at e-Patients Net have a good rundown of the feud, and the issues involved. posted by Dana Blankenhorn June 18, 2009 @ 8:14 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: HIT</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-33930</link>
		<dc:creator>HIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leavitt flamed here too:

http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2009/06/open-letter-to-mark-leavitt-chairman.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leavitt flamed here too:</p>
<p><a href="http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2009/06/open-letter-to-mark-leavitt-chairman.html" rel="nofollow">http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2009/06/open-letter-to-mark-leavitt-chairman.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &#38; Google Health:Illegal in NJ? &#124; e-Patients.net</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-33594</link>
		<dc:creator>Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &#38; Google Health:Illegal in NJ? &#124; e-Patients.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Of course the bigger issue is the play by a NJ state assemblyman who is trying to create a monopoly for an organization that has a very serious image problem (see my previous post). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Of course the bigger issue is the play by a NJ state assemblyman who is trying to create a monopoly for an organization that has a very serious image problem (see my previous post). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gilles Frydman</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-32866</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilles Frydman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Gelzer,

Shame on me! I knew it and completely forgot to remove the error, which I&#039;ll do now!

Michael Levitt, ex Secretary of the DHHS, just published an opinion piece in the Washington Times that is so violently against the current administration that he would have immediately lost his ability to function in a public/private entity like CCHIT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Gelzer,</p>
<p>Shame on me! I knew it and completely forgot to remove the error, which I&#8217;ll do now!</p>
<p>Michael Levitt, ex Secretary of the DHHS, just published an opinion piece in the Washington Times that is so violently against the current administration that he would have immediately lost his ability to function in a public/private entity like CCHIT.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed D. Gelzer, MD, MPH, CHCC</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-32857</link>
		<dc:creator>Reed D. Gelzer, MD, MPH, CHCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting exchange indeed.

Please note, this statement is inaccurate.  &quot;Dr. Mark Leavitt, former Secretary of the DHHS and current chair of CCHIT&quot;.

The former Secretary of DHHS was Mike Leavitt, not Mark Leavitt.  Dr. Mark Leavitt, before becoming CCHIT chairman, headed HIT organization Healthcare Information Management and Systems Society (HIMSS)  and, before that, founded Logician, the EMR that was purchased by GE and is now marketed as Centricity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting exchange indeed.</p>
<p>Please note, this statement is inaccurate.  &#8220;Dr. Mark Leavitt, former Secretary of the DHHS and current chair of CCHIT&#8221;.</p>
<p>The former Secretary of DHHS was Mike Leavitt, not Mark Leavitt.  Dr. Mark Leavitt, before becoming CCHIT chairman, headed HIT organization Healthcare Information Management and Systems Society (HIMSS)  and, before that, founded Logician, the EMR that was purchased by GE and is now marketed as Centricity.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Greene</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-30840</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Appreciate the backgrounder on this. Some of us patients and patients-to-be are not up to speed on what all these acronyms mean and the implications for future implementation. An important take-home, I think, is that to engage the unengaged, we must be providing explainers every step of the way in the current health care debate. Educational content demonstrating real-life consequences is absolutely necessary to bring participatory medicine to its rightful place at the of top every patient&#039;s agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciate the backgrounder on this. Some of us patients and patients-to-be are not up to speed on what all these acronyms mean and the implications for future implementation. An important take-home, I think, is that to engage the unengaged, we must be providing explainers every step of the way in the current health care debate. Educational content demonstrating real-life consequences is absolutely necessary to bring participatory medicine to its rightful place at the of top every patient&#8217;s agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilles Frydman</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-50427</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilles Frydman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 19:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;I had to write this post: David Kibbe &amp; Mark Leavitt : Openness vs. Opacity http://bit.ly/6pmxt&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">I had to write this post: David Kibbe &#038; Mark Leavitt : Openness vs. Opacity <a href="http://bit.ly/6pmxt" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/6pmxt</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: ICMCC Website - Articles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; David Kibbe &#38; Mark Leavitt : Openness vs. Opacity</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-30338</link>
		<dc:creator>ICMCC Website - Articles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; David Kibbe &#38; Mark Leavitt : Openness vs. Opacity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 05:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Article Gilles Frydman, e-patients.net, 30 May 2009 SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &quot;David Kibbe &amp; Mark Leavitt : Openness vs. Opacity&quot;, url: &quot;http://articles.icmcc.org/2009/05/31/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity/&quot; }); [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Health World Web</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/05/david-kibbe-mark-leavitt-openness-vs-opacity.html/comment-page-1#comment-55706</link>
		<dc:creator>Health World Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 22:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gilles Frydman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilles Frydman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;New post: David Kibbe &amp; Mark Leavitt : Openness vs. Opacity  http://bit.ly/6pmxt&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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