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	<title>Comments on: Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &amp; Google Health:Illegal in NJ?</title>
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		<title>By: It is time to speak up &#171; Adam Bosworth&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-35537</link>
		<dc:creator>It is time to speak up &#171; Adam Bosworth&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] meet health care is like watching a slow motion train wreck. Witness the bill in contention in NJ right now. Essentially it will prohibit or drastically slow down the sale of innovative products that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gregg Masters</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-35030</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregg Masters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That &#039;listserves&#039; and &#039;IRCs&#039; are still employed seems a tad bid anachronoistic to me, especially with those of the IT persuasion. 

Am I missing something here, or doesn&#039;t microblogging, blogging, FriendFeed Facebook and a litany of other real time connections now available with more robust engagement options, dwarf these legacy mechanisms?

Good catch Gilles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8216;listserves&#8217; and &#8216;IRCs&#8217; are still employed seems a tad bid anachronoistic to me, especially with those of the IT persuasion. </p>
<p>Am I missing something here, or doesn&#8217;t microblogging, blogging, FriendFeed Facebook and a litany of other real time connections now available with more robust engagement options, dwarf these legacy mechanisms?</p>
<p>Good catch Gilles!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Sheppard</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-55812</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Sheppard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @lisacrymes Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &amp; Google Health:Illegal in NJ? &#124; e-Patients.net http://bit.ly/PKsQK&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @lisacrymes Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &#038; Google Health:Illegal in NJ? | e-Patients.net <a href="http://bit.ly/PKsQK" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/PKsQK</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Crymes</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-55813</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Crymes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &amp; Google Health:Illegal in NJ? &#124; e-Patients.net http://bit.ly/PKsQK&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &#038; Google Health:Illegal in NJ? | e-Patients.net <a href="http://bit.ly/PKsQK" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/PKsQK</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bart Collet</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-50456</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Collet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Reading: &quot;Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &amp; Google Health:Illegal in NJ? &#124; e-Patients.net&quot; ( http://bit.ly/rM9ey )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Reading: &quot;Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &amp; Google Health:Illegal in NJ? | e-Patients.net&quot; ( <a href="http://bit.ly/rM9ey" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/rM9ey</a> )</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Scrimshire</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-50457</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Scrimshire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Threat to the PHR in NJ - could it spread across the USA?  http://bit.ly/PKsQK&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Threat to the PHR in NJ &#8211; could it spread across the USA?  <a href="http://bit.ly/PKsQK" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/PKsQK</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: HIT</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-33924</link>
		<dc:creator>HIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leavitt denies knowledge of the bill

http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2009/06/open-letter-to-mark-leavitt-chairman.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leavitt denies knowledge of the bill</p>
<p><a href="http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2009/06/open-letter-to-mark-leavitt-chairman.html" rel="nofollow">http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2009/06/open-letter-to-mark-leavitt-chairman.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Masters</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-50458</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregg Masters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @gfry: HealthVault, Google Health &amp; Dossia: Illegal in NJ?&quot; http://is.gd/Sf2n A CCHIT monopoly story &gt;&gt;hmmmm??&lt;&lt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @gfry: HealthVault, Google Health &#038; Dossia: Illegal in NJ?&#8221; <a href="http://is.gd/Sf2n" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/Sf2n</a> A CCHIT monopoly story &gt;&gt;hmmmm??&lt;&lt;</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-33711</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t think this bill has a chance of passing, you should keep in mind that many state legislatures *have* passed similar bills making other certifying/accrediting organizations the de facto, or deemed, official standards organization.  I&#039;m thinking Joint Commission (hospitals, nursing homes, etc) and URAC (health insurance companies, IROs, disease mgmt companies, etc).

So, would this bill be different if it said that HIT software had to be certified by a company that met X-Y-Z criteria, but not specify which company?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t think this bill has a chance of passing, you should keep in mind that many state legislatures *have* passed similar bills making other certifying/accrediting organizations the de facto, or deemed, official standards organization.  I&#8217;m thinking Joint Commission (hospitals, nursing homes, etc) and URAC (health insurance companies, IROs, disease mgmt companies, etc).</p>
<p>So, would this bill be different if it said that HIT software had to be certified by a company that met X-Y-Z criteria, but not specify which company?</p>
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		<title>By: Gilles Frydman</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-50459</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilles Frydman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;HealthVault, Google Health &amp; Dossia: Illegal in NJ?&quot; http://is.gd/Sf2n A CCHIT monopoly story&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">HealthVault, Google Health &#038; Dossia: Illegal in NJ?&#8221; <a href="http://is.gd/Sf2n" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/Sf2n</a> A CCHIT monopoly story</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: ICMCC Website - Articles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &#38; Google Health: Illegal in NJ?</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-33680</link>
		<dc:creator>ICMCC Website - Articles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &#38; Google Health: Illegal in NJ?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Article Gilles Frydman, e-patients.net, 7 June 2009 SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &quot;Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &amp; Google Health: Illegal in NJ?&quot;, url: &quot;http://articles.icmcc.org/2009/06/08/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-health-illegal-in-nj/&quot; }); [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Article Gilles Frydman, e-patients.net, 7 June 2009 SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &#8220;Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &#38; Google Health: Illegal in NJ?&#8221;, url: &#8220;http://articles.icmcc.org/2009/06/08/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-health-illegal-in-nj/&#8221; }); [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ePatientDave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-50460</link>
		<dc:creator>ePatientDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;3. @GFry e-patients.net &quot;HealthVault, Google Health &amp; Dossia: Illegal in NJ?&quot; http://is.gd/Sf2n &lt;=proposed law makes non-CCHIT ehr *illegal*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">3. @GFry e-patients.net &#8220;HealthVault, Google Health &#038; Dossia: Illegal in NJ?&#8221; <a href="http://is.gd/Sf2n" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/Sf2n</a> &lt;=proposed law makes non-CCHIT ehr *illegal*</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Benlog &#187; Empowering the Patient vs. Enabling an Artificial Monopoly</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-33626</link>
		<dc:creator>Benlog &#187; Empowering the Patient vs. Enabling an Artificial Monopoly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in New Jersey, a proposed state law wants to fine anyone who sells software that has anything to do with health dat.... CCHIT is a single entity that would get to certify all health software. CCHIT is also pushing to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in New Jersey, a proposed state law wants to fine anyone who sells software that has anything to do with health dat&#8230;. CCHIT is a single entity that would get to certify all health software. CCHIT is also pushing to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Parkinson</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-33607</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Parkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And therein lies the reason why our corrupt government cannot in any way be trusted to protect the good of the people vs. the special interests of a few trying to make as much money as they possibly can off the good people of this wonderful country. 

The easy way out for physicians I&#039;m sure is to simply not accept insurance, Medicare, and Medicaid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And therein lies the reason why our corrupt government cannot in any way be trusted to protect the good of the people vs. the special interests of a few trying to make as much money as they possibly can off the good people of this wonderful country. </p>
<p>The easy way out for physicians I&#8217;m sure is to simply not accept insurance, Medicare, and Medicaid.</p>
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		<title>By: ePatientDave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-50461</link>
		<dc:creator>ePatientDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;New on epatients.net: RT @gfry: Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &amp; Google Health: Illegal in NJ?   http://bit.ly/PKsQK&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">New on epatients.net: RT @gfry: Dossia, Microsoft HealthVault &#038; Google Health: Illegal in NJ?   <a href="http://bit.ly/PKsQK" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/PKsQK</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Claudio Luís Vera (@modulist)</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-33605</link>
		<dc:creator>Claudio Luís Vera (@modulist)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If ever someone were to devise legislation that locks out innovation and competition, they couldn&#039;t top this bill. There are so many reasons why this piece of legislation is just wrong:

1) it provides CCHIT a monopoly on deciding which health information systems are allowed to be used in New Jersey. There do not appear to be any requirements for CCHIT&#039;s certification process to be subject to review, nor for it to be impartial.

2) It guarantees an exclusive revenue stream for CCHIT to handle the certification process, which typically runs in the four or five figures.

3) It virtually guarantees delays on the rollout of new technology, as brand-new EHR systems are subjected to CCHIT review.

4) It provides no guarantee that CCHIT can even keep up with current technologies. Should someone develop a true paradigm-shifting health IT system, it would very likely be held up by CCHIT&#039;s inability to certify new technologies.

5) For the provider of any PHR on the Internet, this bill creates a jurisdictional nightmare, as HealthVault, Dossia, and GoogleHealth would have to freeze every New Jersey user account until they receive CCHIT certification. Should they choose not to comply, they would have to make users sign disclaimers that they are not New Jersey residents.

6) CCHIT certification makes it nearly impossible to componentize EHR technologies into plug-and-play parts, a practice commonly used in the open source community.

If this bill were passed, it would become needlessly costly and difficult for a startup firm to develop a new EHR, for say, small rural physician practices. It makes and open source approach impractical for developing new EHRs, cutting the industry off from a good source of inexpensive innovation.

This bill is a blatant attempt by established HIT vendors to lock out competition through CCHIT. Let&#039;s hope it doesn&#039;t succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ever someone were to devise legislation that locks out innovation and competition, they couldn&#8217;t top this bill. There are so many reasons why this piece of legislation is just wrong:</p>
<p>1) it provides CCHIT a monopoly on deciding which health information systems are allowed to be used in New Jersey. There do not appear to be any requirements for CCHIT&#8217;s certification process to be subject to review, nor for it to be impartial.</p>
<p>2) It guarantees an exclusive revenue stream for CCHIT to handle the certification process, which typically runs in the four or five figures.</p>
<p>3) It virtually guarantees delays on the rollout of new technology, as brand-new EHR systems are subjected to CCHIT review.</p>
<p>4) It provides no guarantee that CCHIT can even keep up with current technologies. Should someone develop a true paradigm-shifting health IT system, it would very likely be held up by CCHIT&#8217;s inability to certify new technologies.</p>
<p>5) For the provider of any PHR on the Internet, this bill creates a jurisdictional nightmare, as HealthVault, Dossia, and GoogleHealth would have to freeze every New Jersey user account until they receive CCHIT certification. Should they choose not to comply, they would have to make users sign disclaimers that they are not New Jersey residents.</p>
<p>6) CCHIT certification makes it nearly impossible to componentize EHR technologies into plug-and-play parts, a practice commonly used in the open source community.</p>
<p>If this bill were passed, it would become needlessly costly and difficult for a startup firm to develop a new EHR, for say, small rural physician practices. It makes and open source approach impractical for developing new EHRs, cutting the industry off from a good source of inexpensive innovation.</p>
<p>This bill is a blatant attempt by established HIT vendors to lock out competition through CCHIT. Let&#8217;s hope it doesn&#8217;t succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Francisco Lupiáñez-Villanueva</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/06/dossia-microsoft-healthvault-google-healthillegal-in-nj.html/comment-page-1#comment-33597</link>
		<dc:creator>Francisco Lupiáñez-Villanueva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IT regulations and health regulations could be consider sometimes as barriers to innovation. But regulation is needed, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT regulations and health regulations could be consider sometimes as barriers to innovation. But regulation is needed, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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