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		<title>By: e-Patient Dave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/10/cindy-throops-personal-story-of-participatory-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-48420</link>
		<dc:creator>e-Patient Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cindy, I&#039;d even pause a moment on &quot;In a perfect world, we wouldn&#039;t need participatory medicine.&quot; Would that be a world where we simply don&#039;t need medicine? Or are we hoping maybe healthcare itself wouldn&#039;t be necessary? Because I can&#039;t find a way to imagine a world where I wouldn&#039;t want to be engaged in any area where I care about the outcome, whether it&#039;s medical or family or buying a car. 

It just seems natural to me.

Some people think e-patients are people who use the internet for healthcare purposes. 10-15 years ago that was pretty accurate, because being an internet researcher was pretty unusual then. But today I tell people e-patients are the empowered and engaged ones - and that naturally includes being online about it, because as Pew data shows, people are pretty much online about everything these days.  

So calling someone an e-patient for using the Web is sorta like calling them a shoe-patient for using shoes to get to the doctor. It&#039;s just what people do. :&#8211;)

Anyway (hi Bill) I know people who assume they&#039;ll be told everything they need to know, but as Cindy points out, that&#039;s a constant balancing act for the professional. (I know Bill, and he&#039;s &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; good at explaining very complex science in very simple terms. &lt;i&gt;He&lt;/i&gt; should be a doctor, or a patient translator, or some such!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy, I&#8217;d even pause a moment on &#8220;In a perfect world, we wouldn&#8217;t need participatory medicine.&#8221; Would that be a world where we simply don&#8217;t need medicine? Or are we hoping maybe healthcare itself wouldn&#8217;t be necessary? Because I can&#8217;t find a way to imagine a world where I wouldn&#8217;t want to be engaged in any area where I care about the outcome, whether it&#8217;s medical or family or buying a car. </p>
<p>It just seems natural to me.</p>
<p>Some people think e-patients are people who use the internet for healthcare purposes. 10-15 years ago that was pretty accurate, because being an internet researcher was pretty unusual then. But today I tell people e-patients are the empowered and engaged ones &#8211; and that naturally includes being online about it, because as Pew data shows, people are pretty much online about everything these days.  </p>
<p>So calling someone an e-patient for using the Web is sorta like calling them a shoe-patient for using shoes to get to the doctor. It&#8217;s just what people do. :&ndash;)</p>
<p>Anyway (hi Bill) I know people who assume they&#8217;ll be told everything they need to know, but as Cindy points out, that&#8217;s a constant balancing act for the professional. (I know Bill, and he&#8217;s <i>very</i> good at explaining very complex science in very simple terms. <i>He</i> should be a doctor, or a patient translator, or some such!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jocelyn</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/10/cindy-throops-personal-story-of-participatory-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-48393</link>
		<dc:creator>Jocelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cindy -- thank you so much for sharing your story.  When you stop to think what a blessing it is to have your eyes, your story is made that much more poignant.  So much in life pales in comparison to what that loss would have been like, or even the loss of some of your vision and how you would have had to learn to compensate.  Thank goodness you feel you were able to make an informed decision, we all should have this right.

Best,
Jocelyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy &#8212; thank you so much for sharing your story.  When you stop to think what a blessing it is to have your eyes, your story is made that much more poignant.  So much in life pales in comparison to what that loss would have been like, or even the loss of some of your vision and how you would have had to learn to compensate.  Thank goodness you feel you were able to make an informed decision, we all should have this right.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Jocelyn</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Throop</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/10/cindy-throops-personal-story-of-participatory-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-55659</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy Throop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Just one of my stories about #whyPM --&gt; @JourPM e-patients.net, story of Participatory Medicine http://is.gd/4A7YC&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Just one of my stories about #whyPM &#8211;&gt; @JourPM e-patients.net, story of Participatory Medicine <a href="http://is.gd/4A7YC" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/4A7YC</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Greene</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/10/cindy-throops-personal-story-of-participatory-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-48384</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cindy -- A close friend recently had elective laser eye surgery. She, too decided in advance that she wanted it, went to a doctor, and for whatever reason, didn&#039;t understand the risk of side effects. The surgery did not give her the desired results. She wound up with months of discomfort, poorer vision than before the surgery, and having to have followup surgery. 

I don&#039;t know if the doctor did a good job warning her about potential side effects or not. You see Bill, Participatory Medicine is more than a good doctor with ethical values, it&#039;s also a patient who is willing to listen, research, and make wise health decisions. The whole team has to participate.

Two years later my friend is relatively pleased with the outcome of her surgery, but for six month to a year after, she was afraid she&#039;d made a bad decision with an irreversible outcome. At that point, she was wishing she&#039;d had all the facts and acted on them.  She would have loved having four pairs of stlyin&#039; glasses.

C~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy &#8212; A close friend recently had elective laser eye surgery. She, too decided in advance that she wanted it, went to a doctor, and for whatever reason, didn&#8217;t understand the risk of side effects. The surgery did not give her the desired results. She wound up with months of discomfort, poorer vision than before the surgery, and having to have followup surgery. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the doctor did a good job warning her about potential side effects or not. You see Bill, Participatory Medicine is more than a good doctor with ethical values, it&#8217;s also a patient who is willing to listen, research, and make wise health decisions. The whole team has to participate.</p>
<p>Two years later my friend is relatively pleased with the outcome of her surgery, but for six month to a year after, she was afraid she&#8217;d made a bad decision with an irreversible outcome. At that point, she was wishing she&#8217;d had all the facts and acted on them.  She would have loved having four pairs of stlyin&#8217; glasses.</p>
<p>C~</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Throop</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/10/cindy-throops-personal-story-of-participatory-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-48383</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy Throop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point, Bill.  I completely agree.  In a way, this story is more about ethics, but there is a gray area here worth exploring.  To borrow a quote from the recent &lt;a href=&quot;http://jopm.org/index.php/jpm/article/view/19/12&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Building a Research Agenda for Participatory Medicine&lt;/a&gt; article:

&lt;cite&gt;The view of traditional health care is that clinicians are responsible for the bulk, if not all, decision making in the health care relationship…What are the implications for training health professionals to interact with a growing population of active, informed, networked patients?&lt;/cite&gt;

I empathize with doctors in that they must constantly filter, in their personal and professional judgment, what information to share with patients.  There is a continuum here from situations where a doctor omits critical information (unethical) to situations where a doctor makes a judgment call in choosing how (or whether) to share what he or she happens to consider relatively unimportant information.

In a perfect world, we would not need this thing called ‘participatory medicine’.  The reality is that we need it to counteract the effects of residual patriarchal medicine (where an old school doctor might argue that it would be unethical to ‘worry my pretty little head’ over unlikely outcomes) as well as things like medication errors.  Harm is not always intentional.  As patients, we have a real need to protect ourselves while we work with doctors to create a medical system that is more sensitive to the needs and preferences (not to mention, long term health outcomes) of patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point, Bill.  I completely agree.  In a way, this story is more about ethics, but there is a gray area here worth exploring.  To borrow a quote from the recent <a href="http://jopm.org/index.php/jpm/article/view/19/12" rel="nofollow">Building a Research Agenda for Participatory Medicine</a> article:</p>
<p><cite>The view of traditional health care is that clinicians are responsible for the bulk, if not all, decision making in the health care relationship…What are the implications for training health professionals to interact with a growing population of active, informed, networked patients?</cite></p>
<p>I empathize with doctors in that they must constantly filter, in their personal and professional judgment, what information to share with patients.  There is a continuum here from situations where a doctor omits critical information (unethical) to situations where a doctor makes a judgment call in choosing how (or whether) to share what he or she happens to consider relatively unimportant information.</p>
<p>In a perfect world, we would not need this thing called ‘participatory medicine’.  The reality is that we need it to counteract the effects of residual patriarchal medicine (where an old school doctor might argue that it would be unethical to ‘worry my pretty little head’ over unlikely outcomes) as well as things like medication errors.  Harm is not always intentional.  As patients, we have a real need to protect ourselves while we work with doctors to create a medical system that is more sensitive to the needs and preferences (not to mention, long term health outcomes) of patients.</p>
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		<title>By: ePatientDave</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/10/cindy-throops-personal-story-of-participatory-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-49955</link>
		<dc:creator>ePatientDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@CindyThroop guest post on e-patients.net - her *personal* story of Participatory Medicine #WhyPM http://is.gd/4A7YC&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@CindyThroop guest post on e-patients.net &#8211; her *personal* story of Participatory Medicine #WhyPM <a href="http://is.gd/4A7YC" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/4A7YC</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Reenstra</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2009/10/cindy-throops-personal-story-of-participatory-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-48379</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Reenstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this Participatory Medicine or a good doctor.  

You were seeing elective surgery, who had risk factors you were unaware of, these were explained to you, the doctor expressed his opinion and allowed you to make an informed choice.  Bottom line you had a good outcome and were involved in the process.  For any elective procedure this is how it should be.

You are worried about doctors at specialty clinics and whether they are driven move by revenue generation or patient care.  If a doctor felt that the benefits of the procedure out weighed the risks and failed to advise you of the risks, you would not have known enough to question his judgment.  

Your concerns are justified, but the key differences as I see it, are the ethical values of the doctors and not the patient&#039;s participation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this Participatory Medicine or a good doctor.  </p>
<p>You were seeing elective surgery, who had risk factors you were unaware of, these were explained to you, the doctor expressed his opinion and allowed you to make an informed choice.  Bottom line you had a good outcome and were involved in the process.  For any elective procedure this is how it should be.</p>
<p>You are worried about doctors at specialty clinics and whether they are driven move by revenue generation or patient care.  If a doctor felt that the benefits of the procedure out weighed the risks and failed to advise you of the risks, you would not have known enough to question his judgment.  </p>
<p>Your concerns are justified, but the key differences as I see it, are the ethical values of the doctors and not the patient&#8217;s participation.</p>
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