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		<title>By: Globe article on EMRs: status and the safety issue&#8211;e-Patient Dave &#124; Knowledge of Medicine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Globe article on EMRs: status and the safety issue&#8211;e-Patient Dave &#124; Knowledge of Medicine</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: New video posted: “Over My Dead Body”: Why Reliable Systems Matter to Patients &#171; e-Patient Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>New video posted: “Over My Dead Body”: Why Reliable Systems Matter to Patients &#171; e-Patient Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that these systems would be required to be usable by the clinicians who care for us. I was aghast; a December lecture by Ross Koppel had detailed how bad some of the systems were, and believe me, if hospital staff are caring for my [...]</description>
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		<title>By: February retrospective on e-patients.net &#124; e-Patients.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>February retrospective on e-patients.net &#124; e-Patients.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 00:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] use testimony &#8211; requests for your input What to do about “the cream of the crap”? ONC’s Adoption/Certification Workgroup meeting and results Testimony submitted to the Adoption/Certification Workgroup for its Feb 25 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AMIA board: &#8220;Hold harmless&#8221; clause in EMR contracts is unethical &#124; e-Patients.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMIA board: &#8220;Hold harmless&#8221; clause in EMR contracts is unethical &#124; e-Patients.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up repeatedly during the Meaningful Use meetings I attended last winter; I wrote about it in &#8220;What to do about the cream of the crap?&#8221; &#8230; those strong words were how an unhappy buyer described the system they&#8217;d just [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up repeatedly during the Meaningful Use meetings I attended last winter; I wrote about it in &#8220;What to do about the cream of the crap?&#8221; &#8230; those strong words were how an unhappy buyer described the system they&#8217;d just [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave deBronkart</title>
		<link>http://e-patients.net/archives/2010/02/what-to-do-about-the-cream-of-the-crap-oncs-adoptioncertification-workgroup-meeting.html/comment-page-1#comment-53921</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave deBronkart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 02:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@markhawker The &quot;cream of the crap&quot; story from February makes my point, and it wasn&#039;t my words http://is.gd/cHKGq&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@markhawker The &quot;cream of the crap&quot; story from February makes my point, and it wasn&#39;t my words <a href="http://is.gd/cHKGq" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/cHKGq</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: RDGelzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>RDGelzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 17:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good afternoon Dave,

Thank you for the updates.  FWIW, I was part of the team that supported CMS&#039;s review and analysis of public comments on the draft Meaningful Use rules, as well as responding to their requests for recommendations on the final rules for qualifying for incentives payments, so quite familiar with that process.  

Interesting times indeed.

I am much more interested in your observations, reflections, and predictions on how well your concerns are being heard and acted on inside the Beltway.

Cheers!

Reed D. Gelzer, MD, MPH, CHCC
Advocates for Documentation Integrity and Compliance
Wallingford, CT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good afternoon Dave,</p>
<p>Thank you for the updates.  FWIW, I was part of the team that supported CMS&#8217;s review and analysis of public comments on the draft Meaningful Use rules, as well as responding to their requests for recommendations on the final rules for qualifying for incentives payments, so quite familiar with that process.  </p>
<p>Interesting times indeed.</p>
<p>I am much more interested in your observations, reflections, and predictions on how well your concerns are being heard and acted on inside the Beltway.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>Reed D. Gelzer, MD, MPH, CHCC<br />
Advocates for Documentation Integrity and Compliance<br />
Wallingford, CT</p>
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		<title>By: e-Patient Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>e-Patient Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 13:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Reed. Thanks for prodding me to go back and post follow-up notes.

After this preliminary discussion, I posted the testimony document that I pre-submitted here:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://e-patients.net/archives/2010/02/testimony-submitted-to-the-adoptioncertification-workgroup-for-its-feb-25-meeting.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://e-patients.net/archives/2010/02/testimony-submitted-to-the-adoptioncertification-workgroup-for-its-feb-25-meeting.html&lt;/a&gt;

Under &quot;Government 2.0&quot; transparency, complete meeting resources and transcripts are posted online. Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://healthit.hhs.gov/portal/server.pt?open=512&amp;objID=1473&amp;&amp;PageID=17117&amp;mode=2&quot; target=&quot;new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the archive of that meeting&lt;/a&gt;, including audio, everyone&#039;s testimony documents, and transcripts of the actual discussions.

After the meeting there was email discussion among those who testified. I &lt;a href=&quot;http://e-patients.net/archives/2010/03/second-wave-of-comments-on-health-it-safety-issues.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted here about that&lt;/a&gt; later.

All of that was under the Adoption/Certification Workgroup, which looks at what the rules will be for providers to qualify for the incentive money.

You may be interested in a subsequent hearing of the Meaningful Use workgroup, which is writing the regulations on what qualifies as meaningful use. The April 20 hearing was on &quot;What is the role of patient-generated data in meaningful use?&quot; 

I posted my testimony, linking to an earlier discussion here: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://e-patients.net/archives/2010/04/testimony-submitted-to-the-meaningful-use-workgroup-for-its-april-20-meeting.html
&quot;&gt;http://e-patients.net/archives/2010/04/testimony-submitted-to-the-meaningful-use-workgroup-for-its-april-20-meeting.html&lt;/a&gt;

Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://healthit.hhs.gov/portal/server.pt?open=512&amp;objID=1472&amp;&amp;PageID=17094&amp;mode=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the archive of that meeting&lt;/a&gt;, including audio, everyone&#039;s testimony documents, and full text transcripts of the meeting. Regina Holliday&#039;s testimony was especially compelling.

Thanks again for prompting this update.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Reed. Thanks for prodding me to go back and post follow-up notes.</p>
<p>After this preliminary discussion, I posted the testimony document that I pre-submitted here:<br />
<a href="http://e-patients.net/archives/2010/02/testimony-submitted-to-the-adoptioncertification-workgroup-for-its-feb-25-meeting.html" rel="nofollow">http://e-patients.net/archives/2010/02/testimony-submitted-to-the-adoptioncertification-workgroup-for-its-feb-25-meeting.html</a></p>
<p>Under &#8220;Government 2.0&#8243; transparency, complete meeting resources and transcripts are posted online. Here&#8217;s <a href="http://healthit.hhs.gov/portal/server.pt?open=512&#038;objID=1473&#038;&#038;PageID=17117&#038;mode=2" target="new" rel="nofollow">the archive of that meeting</a>, including audio, everyone&#8217;s testimony documents, and transcripts of the actual discussions.</p>
<p>After the meeting there was email discussion among those who testified. I <a href="http://e-patients.net/archives/2010/03/second-wave-of-comments-on-health-it-safety-issues.html" rel="nofollow">posted here about that</a> later.</p>
<p>All of that was under the Adoption/Certification Workgroup, which looks at what the rules will be for providers to qualify for the incentive money.</p>
<p>You may be interested in a subsequent hearing of the Meaningful Use workgroup, which is writing the regulations on what qualifies as meaningful use. The April 20 hearing was on &#8220;What is the role of patient-generated data in meaningful use?&#8221; </p>
<p>I posted my testimony, linking to an earlier discussion here:<br />
<a href="http://e-patients.net/archives/2010/04/testimony-submitted-to-the-meaningful-use-workgroup-for-its-april-20-meeting.html<br />
">http://e-patients.net/archives/2010/04/testimony-submitted-to-the-meaningful-use-workgroup-for-its-april-20-meeting.html</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://healthit.hhs.gov/portal/server.pt?open=512&#038;objID=1472&#038;&#038;PageID=17094&#038;mode=2" rel="nofollow">the archive of that meeting</a>, including audio, everyone&#8217;s testimony documents, and full text transcripts of the meeting. Regina Holliday&#8217;s testimony was especially compelling.</p>
<p>Thanks again for prompting this update.</p>
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		<title>By: RDGelzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>RDGelzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 12:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning ePatient Dave, any follow-up? 

Reed D. Gelzer, MD, MPH, CHCC
Advocates for Documentation Integrity and Compliance
Wallingford, CT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning ePatient Dave, any follow-up? </p>
<p>Reed D. Gelzer, MD, MPH, CHCC<br />
Advocates for Documentation Integrity and Compliance<br />
Wallingford, CT</p>
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		<title>By: Dave deBronkart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave deBronkart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@faropress Example post prior to my DC testimony last month: http://is.gd/8DCGh&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@faropress Example post prior to my DC testimony last month: <a href="http://is.gd/8DCGh" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/8DCGh</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: RDGelzer, MD, MPH, CHCC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RDGelzer, MD, MPH, CHCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for offering the opportunity to provide suggestions as you prepare for Thursday&#039;s meeting.  There will be no one solution or strategy to unwind the many bizarre and unintended consequences embedded in the health care system, this is the first point that must be embraced.  The second point to embrace is that the US health care industry does &quot;work&quot; for a large majority of stakeholders, otherwise it would not be so incredibly stable in the face of challenges.  What has changed is our collective tolerance of unlimited funding for unknown benefits, but we&#039;ve not yet fully translated that into clear and concise policies and performance feedback mechanisms and we&#039;re ignoring the substantial (although insufficient) advances that have been made areas like chronic disease management.  I&#039;d suggest we keep in mind that the government is now payer of &gt;50% of health care dollars and it doesn&#039;t even place significant resources to make sure it is buying legitimate services, much less effective ones.  Despite the fact that every year the OIG reports 5:1 return on investment in recovering fraudulent claims, largely from overtly criminal enterprises with no legitimate purposes, the government only slowly expands those efforts.  When the biggest player in the industry cannot even assure it is buying real care, the need for sophisticated IT implementations begins to fade behind the simple need to operate like a responsible enterprise. 

Here is why this is especially pertinent.  The ONC&#039;s own commissioned 2005 report on EHRs and fraud showed that EHRs would initially worsen the trustworthiness of health care information, and that this would be reflected in increased health care fraud.  The follow-on report to the ONC, commissioned to provide recommendations to forestall or mitigate such damage, was delivered June 2007 and provided a list of key EHR functions to improve simple records validity assurance.  That report has been buried.  Those few that, by individual effort, made it into EHR Certification recommendations thru CCHIT were stripped out in 2008 and 2009 (I know because I served on the CCHIT Compliance workgroup, which now doesn&#039;t even exist).  The then-ONC, Dr. Kolodner, met with the 2007 report workgroup in January 2007 and, among other topics, had a lengthy interchange about the fact that neither HITSP (driving EHR interop) nor CCHIT (driving EHR certification) had basic business record validity and integrity record on their requirements list.  Dr. Kolodner promised he would make it so and never did.  Repeated inquiries to the ONC on this point have gone unanswered.    

So, in a nutshell, this is a long way of saying that at the present time, EHRs are not even required to meet the same requirements that a record must uphold in all other business domains.  If we do not expect health care&#039;s primary source record to achieve the level of trustworthiness that your common everyday storefront retail store must uphold, why do we expect that these same non-standardized, minimally certified systems will necessarily improve patient safety, security, care effectiveness, etc.?

What is needed at this point is nothing more sophisticated that to point out to any and every entity looking at EHRs that they should:
1. Make sure the system is capable of supporting that organization&#039;s policies and procedures for accurate, reliable medical records.  (Sadly, even Certified EHRs exist that can&#039;t pass this simple test, for example, is the indicated author of the record actually accurate.)
2. Make sure the system is trained and supported in a manner that aligns with the organization&#039;s medical records policies and procedures.  

A little due diligence by EHR purchasers would go a long way.  A little emphasis on information integrity by the largest purchaser of health care services (i.e. HHS) would go a long way.  

Lastly, every patient of a practice with an EHR should regularly request a printed or electronic version of their clinical record.  The errors, omissions, over-documentation, and wrong author/provider events will stir some useful &quot;feedback&quot; as well.

The most important thing in my opinion is to quit giving the public the implicit message that some overarching &quot;we&quot; knows how this all should work.  This is a matter of national urgency and critical importance for the future of the country, and reasonable expectations should be nurtured, as well as everyone&#039;s engagement on behalf of national interest and, more importantly, the benefit of every person in the US.

Best of luck in your remarks this Thursday.

Reed D. Gelzer
Wallingford, CT

(Former member HL7 EHR-S Standards workgroup on Records Management and Evidentiary Support
Former member of CCHIT Ambulatory Cert. WG, Privacy and Compliance Expert Panel, and Privacy and Compliance WG, Former Member of AHIMA/RTI Study and EHRs and Data Qualty/Anti-Fraud.
Co-Author: How to Evaluate Electronic Health Records Systems.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for offering the opportunity to provide suggestions as you prepare for Thursday&#8217;s meeting.  There will be no one solution or strategy to unwind the many bizarre and unintended consequences embedded in the health care system, this is the first point that must be embraced.  The second point to embrace is that the US health care industry does &#8220;work&#8221; for a large majority of stakeholders, otherwise it would not be so incredibly stable in the face of challenges.  What has changed is our collective tolerance of unlimited funding for unknown benefits, but we&#8217;ve not yet fully translated that into clear and concise policies and performance feedback mechanisms and we&#8217;re ignoring the substantial (although insufficient) advances that have been made areas like chronic disease management.  I&#8217;d suggest we keep in mind that the government is now payer of &gt;50% of health care dollars and it doesn&#8217;t even place significant resources to make sure it is buying legitimate services, much less effective ones.  Despite the fact that every year the OIG reports 5:1 return on investment in recovering fraudulent claims, largely from overtly criminal enterprises with no legitimate purposes, the government only slowly expands those efforts.  When the biggest player in the industry cannot even assure it is buying real care, the need for sophisticated IT implementations begins to fade behind the simple need to operate like a responsible enterprise. </p>
<p>Here is why this is especially pertinent.  The ONC&#8217;s own commissioned 2005 report on EHRs and fraud showed that EHRs would initially worsen the trustworthiness of health care information, and that this would be reflected in increased health care fraud.  The follow-on report to the ONC, commissioned to provide recommendations to forestall or mitigate such damage, was delivered June 2007 and provided a list of key EHR functions to improve simple records validity assurance.  That report has been buried.  Those few that, by individual effort, made it into EHR Certification recommendations thru CCHIT were stripped out in 2008 and 2009 (I know because I served on the CCHIT Compliance workgroup, which now doesn&#8217;t even exist).  The then-ONC, Dr. Kolodner, met with the 2007 report workgroup in January 2007 and, among other topics, had a lengthy interchange about the fact that neither HITSP (driving EHR interop) nor CCHIT (driving EHR certification) had basic business record validity and integrity record on their requirements list.  Dr. Kolodner promised he would make it so and never did.  Repeated inquiries to the ONC on this point have gone unanswered.    </p>
<p>So, in a nutshell, this is a long way of saying that at the present time, EHRs are not even required to meet the same requirements that a record must uphold in all other business domains.  If we do not expect health care&#8217;s primary source record to achieve the level of trustworthiness that your common everyday storefront retail store must uphold, why do we expect that these same non-standardized, minimally certified systems will necessarily improve patient safety, security, care effectiveness, etc.?</p>
<p>What is needed at this point is nothing more sophisticated that to point out to any and every entity looking at EHRs that they should:<br />
1. Make sure the system is capable of supporting that organization&#8217;s policies and procedures for accurate, reliable medical records.  (Sadly, even Certified EHRs exist that can&#8217;t pass this simple test, for example, is the indicated author of the record actually accurate.)<br />
2. Make sure the system is trained and supported in a manner that aligns with the organization&#8217;s medical records policies and procedures.  </p>
<p>A little due diligence by EHR purchasers would go a long way.  A little emphasis on information integrity by the largest purchaser of health care services (i.e. HHS) would go a long way.  </p>
<p>Lastly, every patient of a practice with an EHR should regularly request a printed or electronic version of their clinical record.  The errors, omissions, over-documentation, and wrong author/provider events will stir some useful &#8220;feedback&#8221; as well.</p>
<p>The most important thing in my opinion is to quit giving the public the implicit message that some overarching &#8220;we&#8221; knows how this all should work.  This is a matter of national urgency and critical importance for the future of the country, and reasonable expectations should be nurtured, as well as everyone&#8217;s engagement on behalf of national interest and, more importantly, the benefit of every person in the US.</p>
<p>Best of luck in your remarks this Thursday.</p>
<p>Reed D. Gelzer<br />
Wallingford, CT</p>
<p>(Former member HL7 EHR-S Standards workgroup on Records Management and Evidentiary Support<br />
Former member of CCHIT Ambulatory Cert. WG, Privacy and Compliance Expert Panel, and Privacy and Compliance WG, Former Member of AHIMA/RTI Study and EHRs and Data Qualty/Anti-Fraud.<br />
Co-Author: How to Evaluate Electronic Health Records Systems.)</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Trotter &#187; How far we have not come</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Trotter &#187; How far we have not come</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I meet Dr. Koppel at the last Indivo X meeting at Harvard. After hearing about his work and then I realized&#8230; this man must be the one of the saddest people in the industry, it is basically his job to study the interface between people and EHR systems. e-patient Dave is blogging about a talk that Dr. Koppel gave. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Panelist questions for ONC&#8217;s 2/25 hearing on EHR patient safety &#124; e-Patients.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Panelist questions for ONC&#8217;s 2/25 hearing on EHR patient safety &#124; e-Patients.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for ONC&#8217;s 2/25 hearing on EHR patient safety  by e-Patient Dave on February 20, 2010   I wrote last Wednesday about some background material for a panel I&#8217;ll be attending Thursday, as part of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben- I have built, sold, and implemented EHR systems and you are right.  This is why government shouldn&#039;t take standard practice and cloak it with the mantel of respectability.  All of American healthcare is going to change in the next two decades or else America will sink under its weight.  In 2002, McKinsey projected that within 5 years healthcare costs for the fortune 500 would pass profits at those companies and that this would constitute a crisis.  We shrugged off that milestone, but eventually the crisis will come.  It is inevitable.

The joint problem of financing a system with terribly misaligned incentives will have to be addressed.  My hope is that ONCHIT does not make true reform more difficult by increasing the amount of our health infrastructure that is designed to support the old, bad way.  Right now, a revolution in healthcare would required mostly financial restructuring -- many hospitals would have to pass through bankruptcy as financial incentives get realigned to correlate high pay with successful outcomes.  If health information -- and the workflows for health information -- also have to be scrapped and re-built to achieve this, we will be that much less likely to see true reform and more likely to see gradualism without disruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben- I have built, sold, and implemented EHR systems and you are right.  This is why government shouldn&#8217;t take standard practice and cloak it with the mantel of respectability.  All of American healthcare is going to change in the next two decades or else America will sink under its weight.  In 2002, McKinsey projected that within 5 years healthcare costs for the fortune 500 would pass profits at those companies and that this would constitute a crisis.  We shrugged off that milestone, but eventually the crisis will come.  It is inevitable.</p>
<p>The joint problem of financing a system with terribly misaligned incentives will have to be addressed.  My hope is that ONCHIT does not make true reform more difficult by increasing the amount of our health infrastructure that is designed to support the old, bad way.  Right now, a revolution in healthcare would required mostly financial restructuring &#8212; many hospitals would have to pass through bankruptcy as financial incentives get realigned to correlate high pay with successful outcomes.  If health information &#8212; and the workflows for health information &#8212; also have to be scrapped and re-built to achieve this, we will be that much less likely to see true reform and more likely to see gradualism without disruption.</p>
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		<title>By: e-Patient Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>e-Patient Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 03:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So great to see you here, Paul. Thanks for your informative call today.

I&#039;m amazed that none of us has yet come up with other suggestions. Difficult questions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So great to see you here, Paul. Thanks for your informative call today.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed that none of us has yet come up with other suggestions. Difficult questions!</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete - you&#039;re missing something major here. The purpose of most commercial EHR systems is NOT NOT NOT to create interfaces that are &quot;intuitive&quot; or model the workflows of their end-users. That you assume this is the case is a false assumption on your part. :)

Take a step back. Who is buying these EHR systems and why? For the most part, it&#039;s either small private practices or it&#039;s large hospitals. Small private practices cannot afford the super-tailored solutions. Hospitals are not looking for a solution which improves outcomes, enables patient-driven medicine, or are even easy to use. Your average hospital will put out an RFP for an electronic medical record system with the primary success metric being &quot;will it increase our income and accuracy of our insurance billings.&quot; That&#039;s it. Most EHRs are primarily designed to facilitate and document BILLING OF MEDICARE and other patient insurance carriers. And for the most part, they do this very well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete &#8211; you&#8217;re missing something major here. The purpose of most commercial EHR systems is NOT NOT NOT to create interfaces that are &#8220;intuitive&#8221; or model the workflows of their end-users. That you assume this is the case is a false assumption on your part. :)</p>
<p>Take a step back. Who is buying these EHR systems and why? For the most part, it&#8217;s either small private practices or it&#8217;s large hospitals. Small private practices cannot afford the super-tailored solutions. Hospitals are not looking for a solution which improves outcomes, enables patient-driven medicine, or are even easy to use. Your average hospital will put out an RFP for an electronic medical record system with the primary success metric being &#8220;will it increase our income and accuracy of our insurance billings.&#8221; That&#8217;s it. Most EHRs are primarily designed to facilitate and document BILLING OF MEDICARE and other patient insurance carriers. And for the most part, they do this very well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Egerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Egerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am co-Chair of the Adoption Certification Workgroup and I have a few comments.

Like all technologies, electronic health records have huge potential to be beneficial to patients, but also have potential to be the source of unintended consequences.   Our Workgroup is holding public hearings with a goal of understanding the circumstances under which Patient Safety problems occur in EHR systems and, also, determining the best approach to insure that these IT systems do no harm to patients.   For this hearing on Feb. 25, the Workgroup members will be listening with an open mind to many viewpoints.   We asked Dave to participate to represent a patient (consumer) viewpoint.

In accordance with the transparency rules established by the Obama administration, all Workgroup hearings and discussions are open to the public.    The schedule of all HIT events can be found at:  

http://healthit.hhs.gov/portal/server.pt?open=512&amp;objID=1269&amp;&amp;PageID=16497&amp;mode=2&amp;in_hi_userid=11113&amp;cached=true

You are invited to listen to the Workgroup&#039;s meetings and to participate in our work.   Your comments and advice will influence our recommendations. 

Paul Egerman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am co-Chair of the Adoption Certification Workgroup and I have a few comments.</p>
<p>Like all technologies, electronic health records have huge potential to be beneficial to patients, but also have potential to be the source of unintended consequences.   Our Workgroup is holding public hearings with a goal of understanding the circumstances under which Patient Safety problems occur in EHR systems and, also, determining the best approach to insure that these IT systems do no harm to patients.   For this hearing on Feb. 25, the Workgroup members will be listening with an open mind to many viewpoints.   We asked Dave to participate to represent a patient (consumer) viewpoint.</p>
<p>In accordance with the transparency rules established by the Obama administration, all Workgroup hearings and discussions are open to the public.    The schedule of all HIT events can be found at:  </p>
<p><a href="http://healthit.hhs.gov/portal/server.pt?open=512&#038;objID=1269&#038;&#038;PageID=16497&#038;mode=2&#038;in_hi_userid=11113&#038;cached=true" rel="nofollow">http://healthit.hhs.gov/portal/server.pt?open=512&#038;objID=1269&#038;&#038;PageID=16497&#038;mode=2&#038;in_hi_userid=11113&#038;cached=true</a></p>
<p>You are invited to listen to the Workgroup&#8217;s meetings and to participate in our work.   Your comments and advice will influence our recommendations. </p>
<p>Paul Egerman</p>
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		<title>By: ePatientDave</title>
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		<dc:creator>ePatientDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;I&#039;ve posted a link to the original (horrifying) webcast as background for this ONC meeting: http://is.gd/8FmGu. VITAL to listen IMO (30 min)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">I&#39;ve posted a link to the original (horrifying) webcast as background for this ONC meeting: <a href="http://is.gd/8FmGu" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/8FmGu</a>. VITAL to listen IMO (30 min)</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Sherry Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherry Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Taxpayers are about to spend 30 billion on health IT - Do consumer needs matter? help @ePatientDave testify http://bit.ly/bLUejK&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Taxpayers are about to spend 30 billion on health IT &#8211; Do consumer needs matter? help @ePatientDave testify <a href="http://bit.ly/bLUejK" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bLUejK</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Sherry Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherry Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@ePatientDave wants input on EHR certification http://is.gd/8DCGh ^ ONC strongly encourages consumers to give input&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@ePatientDave wants input on EHR certification <a href="http://is.gd/8DCGh" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/8DCGh</a> ^ ONC strongly encourages consumers to give input</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Ahier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Ahier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;No public input for ONC on certification? I&#039;m going; need your thoughts http://bit.ly/cOb8yx #HITpol (via @ePatientDave)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">No public input for ONC on certification? I&#8217;m going; need your thoughts <a href="http://bit.ly/cOb8yx" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cOb8yx</a> #HITpol (via @ePatientDave)</span></span></span></p>
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